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Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021
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Timjamiller
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-29 11:38 PM (#29210 - in reply to #29209) (#29210) Top




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I was under the impression earlier that the "iron ball" identified an individual circle, instead of the entire shape. Under that, I saw that any of those entire shapes in the example puzzle could be "unsupported". As such, one of the individual circles here would be directly above another individual circle (in the same linked collection) and I didn't see how the ruleset precluded that.

It has since been made clear to me that the "iron ball" is intended to be the entirety of the linked dark circles, as the "balloon" is intended to be the entirety of the linked light circles. But that's where I was coming from with that observation.

Edited by Timjamiller 2021-04-29 11:40 PM
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-29 11:49 PM (#29211 - in reply to #29191) (#29211) Top


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Re: Alternate keys, I just figured 012 are closest together on a keyboard :) For me that would be easiest but I take your point. I don't want to mess with the system changing things right now. I'll keep it in mind if I see a puzzle like this in the future.
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-29 11:56 PM (#29212 - in reply to #29191) (#29212) Top


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Puzzle Booklet available


The password protected Puzzle Booklet is now available to download on the submission page.

montelucci
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-30 3:25 AM (#29215 - in reply to #29191) (#29215) Top



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I think there's a small ambiguity in puzzle 18.
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-30 3:55 AM (#29216 - in reply to #29215) (#29216) Top


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Thank you for pointing this out. Since it doesn't affect the key we thought the fairest option is to announce it on the submission page and leave it as is. Apologies for the inconvenience (also to future solvers).
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-30 3:58 AM (#29217 - in reply to #29191) (#29217) Top


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Important


Puzzle 18 has 2 solutions. The issue does not affect the key, so the puzzle will stay unchanged.

sstackho
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-30 7:33 AM (#29221 - in reply to #29191) (#29221) Top




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In the Dosun-Fuwari Park example in the IB, would it be a valid solution if the balloons in the solution in cells B2:E2 (Excel notation) were instead moved to B2:B5?
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-30 11:59 AM (#29225 - in reply to #29191) (#29225) Top


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Sstackho:
In that case the balloon shares an edge with the ball piece in B6 which is not allowed.
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-30 2:43 PM (#29226 - in reply to #29215) (#29226) Top


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montelucci - 2021-04-30 3:25 AM

I think there's a small ambiguity in puzzle 18.


Sorry, I removed part of your post because I was experimenting with the restrict-thread thing (It wasn't working properly)
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-04-30 7:10 PM (#29229 - in reply to #29191) (#29229) Top




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I am so happy that I finally managed to finish all puzzles in a PR episode :). Much thanks to all the people who made my puzzling fun possible.
ropeko
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-01 3:08 PM (#29239 - in reply to #29191) (#29239) Top




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Not too difficult but very nice set of puzzles! It‘s probably the first time I finished all puzzles in time in a PR round, and that on my birthday :). Thank you!

Edited by ropeko 2021-05-01 3:08 PM
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-02 3:09 AM (#29242 - in reply to #29191) (#29242) Top



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Wonderfully balanced set of puzzles. Had a lot of fun. Glad I could finish it just on time but disappointed that I wasted lots of time imagining the rotations and reflections of "5" shape.
Enjoyed thoroughly. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna, testers and LMI :)
I liked all the high-pointers.
Timjamiller
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-02 5:59 AM (#29243 - in reply to #29191) (#29243) Top




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Uh...the link at the top is contradictory at the moment. It says this goes until May 5th, but also says it ends within 24 hours right now. I think that ought to be resolved.
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-02 6:34 AM (#29244 - in reply to #29243) (#29244) Top


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Timjamiller - 2021-05-02 5:59 AM

Uh...the link at the top is contradictory at the moment. It says this goes until May 5th, but also says it ends within 24 hours right now. I think that ought to be resolved.


Ya fixed that now, thanks.
GaS
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-02 5:13 PM (#29245 - in reply to #29191) (#29245) Top




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Hi All, just one "patological" note for Dosun-Fuwari Park puzzle.
Reading the rules, if I have an Iron-ball shaped as the U pentominoes, I could have, in theory, two such iron-ball linked togheter "floating" supporting each other with no other "support" below them. The same for two U-shaped baloons.

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OXX
OOX
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I guess that, in the "spirit" of the rules, it will be not allowed, but in theory it could be a valid solution with the actual rules ... :-)

Obviously, other shape could have the same effects.

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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-02 7:14 PM (#29246 - in reply to #29191) (#29246) Top


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Fantastic set of puzzles, better than some of the previous rounds this year. They were very approachable and had pleasant solving paths.

Favourites:
15 - Statue Park
20 - Stargazing
11 - Myopia Shapes

Thanks a lot Priyam and Prasanna!
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-03 3:56 AM (#29247 - in reply to #29245) (#29247) Top


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GaS - 2021-05-02 5:13 PM

Hi All, just one "patological" note for Dosun-Fuwari Park puzzle.

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That's a very interesting point. I'm thankful the shapes in both puzzles don't have this situation. If this puzzle type is reused it is definitely a valid clarification to add to the ruleset (or just let be and consider while constructing the puzzle)
rajeshk
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-04 6:41 PM (#29248 - in reply to #29191) (#29248) Top



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I have doubt regarding Dosun-Fuwari Park as below
Do we need only one of the given shapes for the regions? or different regions can contain different shapes. Given example uses only one shape but the instruction does not prohibit different regions from using the different shapes. Please clarify this.
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-04 8:37 PM (#29249 - in reply to #29248) (#29249) Top


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rajeshk - 2021-05-04 6:41 PM

I have doubt regarding Dosun-Fuwari Park as below
Do we need only one of the given shapes for the regions? or different regions can contain different shapes. Given example uses only one shape but the instruction does not prohibit different regions from using the different shapes. Please clarify this.


Different regions can have different shapes within the allowances below. In the example, you could have had the 2x2 ball replacing the trimino ball in any region if it didn't violate other rules.
Madmahogany
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-05 6:39 PM (#29252 - in reply to #29191) (#29252) Top




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Thank you for this set of puzzles! Loved both the Stargazing puzzles and the Myopia puzzles. Also liked the smaller puzzles as well, such as Minesweeper 1.
rajeshk
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-06 8:48 AM (#29253 - in reply to #29191) (#29253) Top



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Nice set of puzzles. Thanks to Priyam and Prasanna for these puzzles.
I liked the Minesweeper puzzles and Star Battle puzzles the most. I was stuck in Statue Park and Myopia Shapes was I was unable to rotate the shapes correctly :).
Overall very good PR test.



vjain9
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-06 10:43 AM (#29254 - in reply to #29191) (#29254) Top




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Yes Prasanna..... Lot many queries in DF Park ! Is the linked ball piece considered as one unit and a part suspended if another is supported , acceptable ? IE is a 3 ball unit is placed horizontally on 1 black square and 2 balls hanging , allowed ?
Only the available units have to be used and single units cant be used ?
A unit has to be used within a highlighted region only ( This is now amply clear - YES )
harmeet
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-06 10:40 PM (#29255 - in reply to #29191) (#29255) Top


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Thank you Prasanna and Priyam for this PR episode. It was fun solving. My favorites were Star Battle 1, Statue park 3 and Myopia 3.
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Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-07 1:55 PM (#29256 - in reply to #29254) (#29256) Top


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vjain9 - 2021-05-06 10:43 AM

Yes Prasanna..... Lot many queries in DF Park ! Is the linked ball piece considered as one unit and a part suspended if another is supported , acceptable ? IE is a 3 ball unit is placed horizontally on 1 black square and 2 balls hanging , allowed ?
Only the available units have to be used and single units cant be used ?



What you are saying as "3 ball unit" is actually just "1 ball". The shape in its entirety is a ball.
Only available shapes may be used.
vjain9
Subject: Re: Object Placement - 30th Apr - 5th May 2021 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 2021 @ 2021-05-07 2:20 PM (#29257 - in reply to #29191) (#29257) Top




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OK . Perfectly clear now ! Thanks
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