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Location: India | Note about Hitori Sum Answer key
This is only puzzle where answer is 'by column'. This is not easy to remember while entering the solution under time-limit.
So I decided to mark all the columns as shown below.
There is no change in rules or answer key definition. |
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Location: India | Just to make sure that everyone understands the point reduction formula, here is an example.
Basically, 'how much you get for a particular puzzle' depends upon 'when you submitted it'. Nothing else.
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Location: New Zealand | In the answer for the Minesweeper puzzle, there is a mine next to the 4 (left end of second row) that has 3 mines around it. Is this allowed? |
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Location: India | You are referring to R2C1. Yes, that is allowed.
The following situation is NOT allowed because of R2C3.
Cells with numbers will have exactly same number of mines around them.
Cells with mines may have any number of mines around them
Cells without numbers and mines can NOT have 3 mines around them. [This is the only rule change wrt a standard Minesweeper puzzle ] |
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Location: New Zealand | Ah thank you. I thought it meant:
(Cells without numbers) and mines can NOT have 3 mines around them
instead of:
Cells without (numbers and mines) can NOT have 3 mines around them
Looking forward to trying these twists. The hitori sum is my favourite new idea, normally the numbers just get ignored. |
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Location: India | During IB review itself, we found that the wording is little cryptic. So I included the example such that all the scenarios are reflected.
Hope it is clear to all. |
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Location: United States | Ah, glad this was addressed, I just logged on to check on the same thing, and I had misinterpretted the instructions the same way. Thanks.
I look forward to this one. Thanks again to the organizers and creators! |
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Location: India | Puzzle Booklet uploaded. It has 12 pages, each page has 2 puzzles (and instructions and solution to the example) of one particular type.
There is no cover page.
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Location: India | Twist has started.
Good luck everyone! |
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Location: United States | Wow! Phenomenal test with a nice balance of difficulties and many fun puzzles on both ends of the spectrum. The twists were very interesting, and you even managed to make Hitori fun! You don't know how much that means to me. Thanks a lot Deb. |
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Location: India | The score page doesn't show the bonus properly. Will be uploading fixed score page in few minutes |
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Location: India | debmohanty - 2011-04-09 10:50 AM
The score page doesn't show the bonus properly. Will be uploading fixed score page in few minutes
Bonus should show up properly now - here is the link to score page - http://logicmastersindia.com/M201104P/score.asp - which you can view after you complete the test.
A twisted view of the score page available here - http://logicmastersindia.com/M201104P/score.asp?view=twist |
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Location: India | motris - 2011-04-09 10:45 AM
Wow! Phenomenal test with a nice balance of difficulties and many fun puzzles on both ends of the spectrum. The twists were very interesting, and you even managed to make Hitori fun! You don't know how much that means to me. Thanks a lot Deb.
Thanks a lot for the feedback.
Yes, Hitori is a type that is not liked by all. I'm glad that the 2 Hitoris came out well and you liked them. |
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Location: The Netherlands | Thanks for the test. I had fun. My favourite was the ABC twist, really good puzzles both. And I managed to avoid making any entry errors, although I did take a very cautious approach entering my answer keys this time, probably cost me some time as I doublechecked what I had put in each time. |
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Location: India | thats a nice clarification.before looking at this post,i was surprised about the reduction as i thought it was calculated on the total score.This logic i think should be posted on the contest page too,to ensure no one is in doubt. |
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Location: India | anurag - 2011-04-09 1:26 PM
thats a nice clarification.before looking at this post,i was surprised about the reduction as i thought it was calculated on the total score.This logic i think should be posted on the contest page too,to ensure no one is in doubt.
We've experimented with many bonus systems, not all of them are flawless - but we'll never have a bonus system where players need calculators (more than pencil and eraser) before submitting a puzzle. |
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Location: India | that sounded funny.i didnt say the contestants would start calculating.in fact i liked this penalty(bonus)system:) Good and simple one.
To make it better,why not increase the number of intervals and make it 6 ,of 5 mins each.That can probably sharpen the evaluation. |
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Location: India | anurag - 2011-04-09 1:46 PM
that sounded funny.i didnt say the contestants would start calculating.in fact i liked this penalty(bonus)system:) Good and simple one.
To make it better,why not increase the number of intervals and make it 6 ,of 5 mins each.That can probably sharpen the evaluation.
Changing the interval to 5 minutes is an option. But it might become too stressful for players in last 30 minutes.
As the poll options indicate, we definitely can make adjustments to this system in future.
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Location: India | Nice twists. I liked L&M&I, Lights and Hitori Sum the most. |
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Location: India | a question off the topic..I want to know if the preliminary online is all we need to give(as it used to be every year) ,or the regional rounds are required too? |
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Location: India | Odd skyscraper: Some evens inside look like valid skyscrapers .The 2,4 in the third row can be valid and satsify the outside '3' at the same time.Is that a problem with the example? or will that hold for the test puzzle too?
Edited by anurag 2011-04-09 5:30 PM
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Location: India | anurag - 2011-04-09 5:25 PM
Odd skyscraper: Some evens inside look like valid skyscrapers .The 2,4 in the third row can be valid and satsify the outside '3' at the same time.Is that a problem with the example? or will that hold for the test puzzle too?
I think the rule and the example match perfectly. |
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Location: New Zealand | I don't understand why people like the reducing points. It's quirky and fun, but does it make the contest better?
As a middle-of-the-field solver, it doesn't change my strategy at all - I've always started with the puzzles that get me the fastest points, and leave the hard/slow ones for last. I assumed most people did this (unless they're intending to just do all the puzzles!).
If we scored this test normally, then wouldn't the rankings be almost exactly the same order anyway? e.g. we're all penalized a similar percentage of our total score in the end, except the fastest solvers who get an increased lead now. |
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Location: New Zealand | And on a different topic, the puzzles were great and I enjoyed the test. Thanks Deb! |
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Location: United States | My own reason for liking it is that I think it's a much better tiebreaker than simple time bonus systems for sorting out the top of the rankings. For instance, awhile ago there was a test in which motris finished ahead of uvo by a single second. There might have been a clearer victor with a scoring system like this. |
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