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Location: India | You've not missed much, but you need to read the first page.
Clues in the grey cells are common for both adjacent grids. Finding their complete content is a part of solution.
So, in Tents and in Skyscrapers and in all other puzzles, you have to determine the clues in grey cells satisfying adjacent grids. |
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PR 2020 (Shading and Loops) Author
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Location: India | can somebody help me out with FIRST SEEN JAPANESE SUMS not getting the start?
and also with DOTTED SNAKE?
Edited by swaroop2011 2011-11-29 11:12 PM
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Location: New Zealand | Hi Swaroop,
A quick start for how I approached FIRST SEEN JAPANESE SUMS. I notice this is rated as hardest of the 9 puzzles.
Look at bottom-right puzzle.
The 15-row gives 4 dots (=unknown digits) in the middle.
The top 12-row gives 3 dots.
The double-10-column can only have one segment, it's of length 3 or 4, so an X goes at the bottom.
The 11-row must have 2 Xs at the right, and one segment of length 3 or 4 on the left. Either way it must include a 5 and a 2, which only have one possible location each. Is the rest of the row a 4 or a 1&3?
Write 11 in the bottom-most grey cell and look at the bottom-left puzzle.
The 15-row and 10-row have 4 and 3 dots respectively.
So the 12-column has an X at the bottom.
The 4-11-row needs 5 dots in the other 5 cells...
Continue to finish the bottom-left puzzle, then top-left...
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Location: India | kiwijam - 2011-11-30 8:11 AM
Hi Swaroop,
A quick start for how I approached FIRST SEEN JAPANESE SUMS. I notice this is rated as hardest of the 9 puzzles.
Look at bottom-right puzzle.
The 15-row gives 4 dots (=unknown digits) in the middle.
The top 12-row gives 3 dots.
The double-10-column can only have one segment, it's of length 3 or 4, so an X goes at the bottom.
The 11-row must have 2 Xs at the right, and one segment of length 3 or 4 on the left. Either way it must include a 5 and a 2, which only have one possible location each. Is the rest of the row a 4 or a 1&3?
Write 11 in the bottom-most grey cell and look at the bottom-left puzzle.
The 15-row and 10-row have 4 and 3 dots respectively.
So the 12-column has an X at the bottom.
The 4-11-row needs 5 dots in the other 5 cells...
Continue to finish the bottom-left puzzle, then top-left...
hey thank you,
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Location: India |
Timing of this contest
Just like Snake Variation contest, this contest will be open from Friday evening GMT and it ends at Monday night GMT.
Exact timing (in local time zone) can be found at the submission page
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Location: The Netherlands | Thanks. Then I can actually compete. This weekend it is Sinterklaas here. I will most likely be busy most of the weekend. |
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Location: New Zealand | Hi Swaroop,
Starting point for the Dotted Snake...
The top-right puzzle is solvable by itself.
From the 1-cell, the snake cannot go right-up-up-left-up, because you'll struggle to get 3 dots in the 6th row.
And it cannot go right-up-up-left-left, because then it can't get to the right-most column and back to the 16-cell in time.
So it must go up-up from the 1-cell. This causes the dots in the right-most column to be in the 1st and 4th rows. And hopefully you can work through the rest of the snake.
This gives enough clues to solve the top-left puzzle, then the bottom-left, then the bottom-right.
A nicely challenging set of instruction puzzles, hopefully the real ones aren't too much bigger! |
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Location: India |
About flash submission layout
We have a slightly different layout this time, which is designed based on the puzzle structure. See image below. Note that the tabs move from Top Left -> Top Right -> Bottom Left -> Bottom Right.
If you have any questions, please post here.
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Location: India | kiwijam - 2011-12-02 6:14 AM
A nicely challenging set of instruction puzzles, hopefully the real ones aren't too much bigger!
I'm sure many players know this. LMI submission system lets you know the size of puzzles if the answer keys are fixed. You can find it out even before you start the test. Since all answer keys are fixed this time, I can share the grid sizes.
Coral, Even-Odd, Japanese Sums, Outside Sum Sudoku (4X 7X7)
Battleships, Tents (4X 8X8)
Dotted Snake (4X 10X10)
Easy as ABC (5X5,5X5,6X6,6X6)
Skyscraper (4X4,5X5,6X6,7X7)
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Location: Poland | Hi,
Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek |
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Location: India | bartunio - 2011-12-02 1:52 PM
Hi,
Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek
No, this test will not be included in ratings. It is mentioned in the 'About Annual Competitions' thread.
In general Annual Competitions won't be included in monthly ratings. If any annual competition is included in ratings, it will be announced in forum. |
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Location: India | Password protected puzzle booklet is uploaded. It has 9 pages, there is no cover page, there is no points table. |
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Location: Poland | Rohan Rao - 2011-12-02 11:16 AM
bartunio - 2011-12-02 1:52 PM
Hi,
Does this test count for the monthly rankings? Just out of curiosity:-)
Bartek
No, this test will not be included in ratings. It is mentioned in the 'About Annual Competitions' thread.
In general Annual Competitions won't be included in monthly ratings. If any annual competition is included in ratings, it will be announced in forum.
Thanks! Sorry for silly question - have been overworked recently:-)
B
Edited by bartunio 2011-12-02 9:01 PM
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Location: Poland | Hi,
Where do I find the password? It's not displayed as in the picture above.
Ok, I got it. Sorry, I'm relatively new here :)
Edited by tomasz 2011-12-02 11:40 PM
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Location: India | Link to score page, as usual, http://logicmastersindia.com/forsmarts2011/score.asp |
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Location: Philippines | May I ask what is this 'Claim Points' button in the Results page? Thanks! |
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Location: India | tjt_1005 - 2011-12-03 11:32 AM
May I ask what is this 'Claim Points' button in the Results page? Thanks!
We've explained it here in the Puzzle F.A.Q. - http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=382&s... |
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2021 World Sudoku+Puzzle Convention Organizer
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Location: India | Enjoyed the puzzles and the theme which was quite new to me.
Did a bad little blunder in the Outside sums sudoku that ended up ruining the whole bunch of 4 :P
Admins - I'm not sure if I entered the right answer correctly in the claim points box. If at all it matters, I'll gladly give it again. |
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PR 2020 (Shading and Loops) Author
Posts: 668
Location: India | kiwijam - 2011-12-02 6:14 AM
Hi Swaroop,
Starting point for the Dotted Snake...
The top-right puzzle is solvable by itself.
From the 1-cell, the snake cannot go right-up-up-left-up, because you'll struggle to get 3 dots in the 6th row.
And it cannot go right-up-up-left-left, because then it can't get to the right-most column and back to the 16-cell in time.
So it must go up-up from the 1-cell. This causes the dots in the right-most column to be in the 1st and 4th rows. And hopefully you can work through the rest of the snake.
This gives enough clues to solve the top-left puzzle, then the bottom-left, then the bottom-right.
A nicely challenging set of instruction puzzles, hopefully the real ones aren't too much bigger!
hey thanks
hope so the contest puzzle is easy one. |
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Location: Belarus | Another excellent contest. Thank you, Vladimir. In spite of the mistakes, I made, I enjoy the puzzles very much. I envy those who have not yet solved these puzzles. Good luck for everybody. |
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2021 World Sudoku+Puzzle Convention Organizer
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Location: Slovakia | Hi everybody,
at first I want to express my thank to the organisers and authors. This is one of the test types that was missing until now. I really enjoyed the puzzles.
Only think I do not consider suitable is the answer format for puzzles with blackened cells. It is impossible to check all the "-" signs. Probably my screen is not big enough, but I really think that it will be better if some friendly signs will be used. For example, when you write WWWWW or BBBBB it is easier as -----------
Thanks
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Location: India | Matus, very impressive performance from you.
On using the "-" symbols, the font used in the submission system makes it more difficult as well. So at the very least we should be using a different font. The Sudoku one already uses a fixed-width font. We'll change the font in puzzle submission system as well.
Unrelated note : There was a minor glitch in the score page where "total points" for 2 players was computed wrongly. It has been fixed since. Thanks prasanna16391 for reporting. |
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forsmarts 13th Anniversary Contest Author
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Location: Belarus | In order to avoid double standards all the claims for submission of the wrong row/column will be rejected. Please be careful entering your answers. |
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PR 2020 (Shading and Loops) Author
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Location: India | nice set of puzzles,
enjoyed a lot,
messed up in easy as abc, skyscraper.
performance was not so as i expected but any ways thanks to author for such an awesome contest.
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Diagonal Vision Author
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Location: Switzerland | Thanks for the wonderful test !
The concept was just fine and puzzles were really good !
(every puzzle tests should have many sudokus and other latin square puzzles, héhé ! and I should always check my codes when I decide to stop playing and the timing is not finished)
Fred
Edited by Fred76 2011-12-04 8:12 PM
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