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An LMI Player with Sudoku ratings 500- | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Location: The Netherlands | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
It was a really good puzzle set. Maybe it was a bit on the harder side, but that's more suited for me. I'm not much of a sprinter. My favourites were the Odd Even Frame and Odd Even Big Small. But there were a lot of others that I really liked like Renban Groups and Killer. I'd love to hear the logic behind the Linked Classics as the way I solved it involved an assumption, I'm not sure if it holds up.
I understand there's a lot of red ratings for difficulty and time constraint, but newer players have to realise that there's a lot of incredible Sudoku solvers in the world for whom these tests are the right amount of challenging. These tests are to reflect the level presented at World Puzzle Championships. A hard newspaper Sudoku is the basic level for a WSC and variants take practice to get used to. So when you've never really done variants or other logic puzzles running into a test like this might look like an impossible venture. Just keep in mind that the longer you do these the more skillful you'll get. So just try to improve in every subsequent test. It's all supposed to be for fun. |
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Location: India | Time for a slightly longish post (after I have recovered from refreshing the score page infinite times)
First of all, thanks to Palmer Mebane and Thomas Snyder who agreed to pre-solve the sudokus in really short notice. Thomas' timings for some sudokus and for the whole set were incredible, but that is not new.
When Amit and me started planning about the test, we decided that the competition should reflect one round at a WSC. We did not want players to finish with huge amount of bonus (also partly because the WPF GP scoring system considers only ranks). The target was top players should finish with few minutes left. That did not happen, but we are happy to see 4 players getting 93% of total score, and several others coming close.
To ensure that it is challenging enough for top players to take around ~115 minutes, we considered two options
a) have as many sudokus as possible, with lot of easy ones
b) have a limited number of sudokus, but many medium tricky puzzles
We chose the later option. I still thought we had many easy sudokus (Classic 1, XV, Odd, Braille). But as voted by many, players were expecting more number of easy puzzles. We probably could not have achieved this without increasing the number of sudokus.
We also didn't want to have many new/unknown types. So many classic / well known types were added and we made sincere effort to make each of them as best as we could do. Really happy to see that those efforts have been noticed.
Before I go into specific sudokus (in next posts), I would like to share my views on the most discussed one - Odd Even Big Small :-)
As an author, I like to give surprises to the contestants. I like unannounced surprises even more. It is interesting that some players who really liked the surprise (at least those who posted in forum) are incredible authors themselves. It is important to note that we had modified the original rules to suit the twist. The only problem was that many players thought their printer is not working properly and is not printing the Japanese characters. I am not sure if that is a valid concern because there were more than one way to check that no Japanese characters were present (e.g. players could have just checked the online solving interface). In the end, only 59 players solved it correctly. That is little less than what I had expected.
Allow me to repeat what some others have mentioned : Players should be ready for surprises. And surprises do not happen all the time.
Nikola - 2013-02-09 11:14 PM
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I realized that sudoku is a wonderful mind game.
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Location: India | Para - 2013-02-12 10:55 PM
I'd love to hear the logic behind the Linked Classics as the way I solved it involved an assumption, I'm not sure if it holds up. I think you are referring to the assumption that a block of 3 rows will get swapped with each other. The puzzle is certainly logical without that assumption - or at least I would think so - but becomes lot easier with that assumption. But like you, I am not sure if that holds up.
So here is the puzzle, with rows of each grid marked for easy reference.
Step 1 :
2 rows can be identified without any solving.
d can only go at s, e can only go at t. Note that these 2 are independent deductions.
Step 2:
After transferring the digits, we can solve upto this stage. [Transferred digits are shaded. Solved digits in red]
Step 3:
Now f can be placed only at r.
[ Side note : so we see that at least one block of 3 rows is swapped among itself.]
Step 4:
Now lot of digits in these 3 rows and middle block of left grid can be determined.
Step 5:
We can now see c = y
Step 6:
Necessary transfers
Step 7:
In box 3 of left grid, we can solve few digits.
Although from the image it looks simple, while solving it is pretty easy to miss.
O stands for Odd, E stands for Even
Step 8:
Again focusing on box3 of left grid.
I will also note that b is either x or z
Step 9:
We also have i=v
That is pretty much a work-in puzzle, with no real cool stuff. |
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Location: Estonia | Hey, about step 1: how can e only go to t? Why not y? |
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Location: The Netherlands | driv4r - 2013-02-13 10:26 PM
Hey, about step 1: how can e only go to t? Why not y?
Because then R5C1 would have to be 9 in the left grid and you already have a 9 in R4C3 there (e could be in y but y can't be in e). I think that's a big part of what I missed, thinking in both directions.
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Location: The Netherlands | Thanks Deb. This helped a lot. |
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Location: Finland | driv4r - 2013-02-13 8:26 PM
Hey, about step 1: how can e only go to t? Why not y?
If you copy the digits from y to e, you will then have two 9s in same box. |
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Location: United States | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | All puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Location: United States | Great job on running the tournament. Are there full scores combining Events #1 & 2? |
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An LMI Player with Sudoku ratings 500- | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | A bit skewed | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | All puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Location: Estonia | Para - 2013-02-13 4:42 PM
driv4r - 2013-02-13 10:26 PM
Hey, about step 1: how can e only go to t? Why not y?
Because then R5C1 would have to be 9 in the left grid and you already have a 9 in R4C3 there (e could be in y but y can't be in e ). I think that's a big part of what I missed, thinking in both directions.
Oh, now I can see that y can't go to e indeed. But I didn't know that the rows need to be swapped with each other. For example in case of e and y I would think that y could go to any of the rows in the left grid (that it fits into) and doesn't necessarily need to replace e  I guess I have misunderstood the rules 
EDIT: Just checked the rules again and it doesn't say that the rows need to be swapped with each other! So how was I supposed to know? 
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Location: United States | If row e maps to y, and then row y maps to some other row like a, that means a and e are two identical rows in the same grid. Can that ever happen in Sudoku? |
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Location: India | may be u didn't submit yr answer of column abd rows which were marked A B
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Location: Poland | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Location: ITALY | Hello, and thumbs up for the game! Is it possible to have the complete solutions of the different sudokus? Thanks,
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Location: India | riccared - 2013-02-14 7:48 PM
Hello, and thumbs up for the game! Is it possible to have the complete solutions of the different sudokus? Thanks,
Riccared When we removed the password from the pdf, we also added the solutions at the end. Please download the pdf and check.
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Location: ITALY | Oh-ohh....... I suppose I'd have better to check before asking.... Many thanks, bye! |
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Location: Estonia | MellowMelon - 2013-02-14 2:48 AM
If row e maps to y, and then row y maps to some other row like a, that means a and e are two identical rows in the same grid. Can that ever happen in Sudoku?
Oh yea, that's a good logic but I couldn't figure it out  I guess I didn't get the logic of duplicates needing to replace each other. But still it would have been better and more clear if it would have been mentioned in the instructions that 2 rows (duplicates) need to be swapped, no? That's the reason why I didn't get this one solved 
I have never encountered a sudoku like this before, so for me it wasn't obvious. |
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Location: India | driv4r - 2013-02-15 12:54 AM
Oh yea, that's a good logic but I couldn't figure it out I guess I didn't get the logic of duplicates needing to replace each other. But still it would have been better and more clear if it would have been mentioned in the instructions that 2 rows (duplicates ) need to be swapped, no? That's the reason why I didn't get this one solved
I have never encountered a sudoku like this before, so for me it wasn't obvious.
Well, a lot of solving skills depend on the solver's ability to figure out the implied restrictions in addition to the main lettered ones. The rules are just constraints on a puzzle, how they affect the solve is for the solver to see.
Figuring out the implied non-literal implications of rules is part of puzzling. For example, now, you'd think the sentence "Place 1-9 in every row, column and box" is enough to describe a classic, but I've come across beginners who still don't figure out for a while that that implies that a number can't repeat. |
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Location: Estonia | Well yea, you are probably right. Next time I encounter this linked classics sudoku I know better for sure ;) |
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Location: India | After linked Classics, Odd Even Big Small was the least submitted/solved puzzles.
Here are few steps to get you started.
Here is the puzzle.
Step 0 :
Figure out that there are no Japanese characters and it must be part of solving to figure out the symbol-property relationship.
Step 1 :
Note 2 key cells : R7C3 and R7C6. Both of them cannot contain 1 or 4 or 6. Because of that R8C1 and R8C8 cannot be 1 or 4 or 6. A lot of deduction will use this.
Step 2 :
See the cells in Red. They all belong to one outlined region. Also note that all four of them must satisfy the property of SQUARE.
So clearly SQUARE cannot be Odd or Small (1 is given in the region)
It also cannot be Even because 4 does not go anywhere in the Red cells.
So SQUARE = Big (5678)
You also get R4C1=6 and some more 6s.
Step 3 :
Because R6C8=6, you get the 4SQUARES as Even (2468).
Some more deductions (you can first find the red ones, and then the blue ones)
Because of the circle at bottom of C7, we can say circle = Small (1234) and Star = Odd (1357)
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An LMI Player with Sudoku ratings 500- | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | A bit skewed | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Location: Czech Republic | Are you going to participate in 3rd tournament of WPF GP?
Try to practice on DSM WPF Sudoku Grand Prix!
In our Daily League we are preparing for you these sudoku variants:
18.02.2013 - Between 1 and 9 (practice on DSM WPF Sudoku GP)
19.02.2013 - Equal Sudoku (practice on DSM WPF Sudoku GP)
20.02.2013 - Search Nine Sudoku (practice on DSM WPF Sudoku GP)
21.02.2013 - Arrow Sudoku (practice on DSM WPF Sudoku GP)
22.02.2013 - X-Sums Sudoku (practice on DSM WPF Sudoku GP)
23.02.2013 - Little Killer Killer Sudoku (practice on DSM WPF Sudoku GP)
24.02.2013 - Skyscrapers (practice on DSM WPF Sudoku GP)
http://sudokucup.com/node/1901 |
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Location: India | Cumulative results after first 2 rounds available here - http://www.worldpuzzle.org/sudokugp/results/ |
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