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Location: United States | Deyan - 2016-01-02 11:01 PM
The last puzzle allows a double solution (although with the same answer)
It's good to avoid unnecessary graphics in booklets, which slow down printing
You should check again, I'm confident that it has only one solution. Maybe your alternate solution has some rows with repeated digits. |
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Location: Turkey | Realshaggy - 2016-01-03 2:03 AM
Nice puzzles. Imho it should be clarified, that there may not be 0-clues in Magic Tapa, since this would cause non-uniqueness in the lower left corner.
Zero is not Classic Tapa clue. Tapa clues are from 1 to 8. If the zero is used in a varition we mention in the instruction. Moreover if the zero had been used in this variation, you would use the zero in clue cells with slash like 0/3, 0/1, 0/4. So it means there are tons of solutions. So you cannot use the zero in regular Tapa unless the instruction says 0-8 digits . |
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Just started playing here at LMI for a few weeks (also working the backlog since 2010 on my free time), and for now the puzzles are really excellent.
I haven't played a lot of tapa puzzles before, but it is a puzzle type I really like, and I look forward to do more ! |
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Location: Indonesia | yureklis - 2016-01-04 2:18 AM
Realshaggy - 2016-01-03 2:03 AM
Nice puzzles. Imho it should be clarified, that there may not be 0-clues in Magic Tapa, since this would cause non-uniqueness in the lower left corner.
Zero is not Classic Tapa clue. Tapa clues are from 1 to 8. If the zero is used in a varition we mention in the instruction. Moreover if the zero had been used in this variation, you would use the zero in clue cells with slash like 0/3, 0/1, 0/4. So it means there are tons of solutions. So you cannot use the zero in regular Tapa unless the instruction says 0-8 digits .
A single zero is a Classic Tapa clue. (0/1, 0/2, etc isn't a Classic Tapa clue, but a single 0 is.) Otherwise, how would you explain the existence of Classic Tapa puzzles that involve a 0 (indicating all squares around it are empty)?
Edited by chaotic_iak 2016-01-04 12:57 AM
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Thanks, really good to have a new TVC series. The dedication is great way to keep Florian remembered.
I felt like I had a slow start, though the points per time don't really reflect that. One oversight on the harder skyscrapers meant I solved that one twice, but no trouble otherwise. I should revisit the star battle, the option I chose towards the end went through. The outside tapa also seemed a bit overvalued to me.
For less experienced solvers, it would be helpful to be a bit more explicit in the instructions about details like those 0s in the magic tapa, it's just very hard to tell if you haven't solved the example carefully. By the way, the base "tapa rule" at the start of the booklet makes no mention of a digit range 1-8.
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I've now solved most of the puzzles - just the skyscrapers ones left. I was surprised how easy I found the Outside Tapa (for the points) - I should have tried that one in the test. Thanks again.
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Location: Thailand | I made the effort to practise for this using Bram's puzzles. His puzzles were frighteningly difficult, but if it weren't for those,
I wouldn't have grasped so many Tapa concepts doing this test.
In general, I feel Tapa is heavily intuitive and to score well in these sprint tests, you're better off "guessing" your path.
All the puzzles are so neat. Make Room for Tapa was lovely because it had enough clear logical deductions to discourage guessing from early on.
Tapa Magic was cool, but sadly this type might be quickly worn out after, say, 10 puzzles.
I was on intense mode for the entire 80 minutes and I still have two big puzzles left.
How on earth are you guys so good at this!? ;
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Location: The Netherlands | tamz29 - 2016-01-04 2:26 AM
I made the effort to practise for this using Bram's puzzles. His puzzles were frighteningly difficult, but if it weren't for those,
I wouldn't have grasped so many Tapa concepts doing this test.
My goal is always to put at least something in each practise puzzle that might be useful when doing the test puzzles. So that means that they might seem more difficult as there will be some deduction in there you might not be familiar with yet. But once you're aware of that logic, doing the next puzzle might seem easier as you no longer have to work out such deductions. |
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Location: Bulgaria | ghirsch - 2016-01-03 7:04 PM
Deyan - 2016-01-02 11:01 PM
The last puzzle allows a double solution (although with the same answer)
It's good to avoid unnecessary graphics in booklets, which slow down printing
You should check again, I'm confident that it has only one solution. Maybe your alternate solution has some rows with repeated digits.
Bottom left clue might be 0 or 1. |
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Location: Romania | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | A bit skewed | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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I know TVC has been running a long time already, but perhaps adding one (easy?) Classic Tapa at the start might be nice for novice solvers? |
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Location: Indonesia | kiwijam - 2016-01-05 6:13 AM
I know TVC has been running a long time already, but perhaps adding one (easy?) Classic Tapa at the start might be nice for novice solvers?
I would assume Classic Tapa is covered by CTC (that is ongoing concurrently), so novice solvers that want to try Classic Tapa first can do CTC for one day before starting. |
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Location: United States | Hmm... If these are going to be every other weekend, then TVC XVIII will fall on Mystery Hunt weekend. I'd think there is a reasonable overlap between those two sets of puzzlers, so perhaps that one could start earlier, or its deadline be extended until later? |
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Location: United States | I'm just glad to have the best-three-of-four rule here, since my printer had a massive paper jam and I couldn't even get started...
p.s. I assume that my 0 will not be factored into the puzzle ratings?
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Location: India | Password removed from puzzle booklet.
Solutions booklet uploaded. (link) |
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Location: India | Jacoblance - 2016-01-05 5:29 AM
Hmm... If these are going to be every other weekend, then TVC XVIII will fall on Mystery Hunt weekend. I'd think there is a reasonable overlap between those two sets of puzzlers, so perhaps that one could start earlier, or its deadline be extended until later? It will be difficult to start earlier, but it can be extended easily. Will extending by 24 hours work? |
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Location: Indonesia | Extending by 24 hours should work; MIT Mystery Hunt should end before Monday EST (Tuesday GMT), so there's one day worth to do it. |
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Location: The Netherlands | brecher92 - 2016-01-05 7:03 AM
I'm just glad to have the best-three-of-four rule here, since my printer had a massive paper jam and I couldn't even get started...
p.s. I assume that my 0 will not be factored into the puzzle ratings?
TVC does not count towards the LMI puzzle ratings. |
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