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Location: The Netherlands | Is there any chance the layout of the doors and fillomino puzzles can be changed? I think it would be handier to solve those with dashed line grids (like this: http://mellowmelon.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/puzzle-386/) or open line grids (like this: http://puzzleparasite.blogspot.nl/2011/12/puzzle-72-seethrough.html) instead of full line grids as in the instruction booklet. |
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Location: India | Para - 2012-09-19 10:52 PM
Is there any chance the layout of the doors and fillomino puzzles can be changed? I think it would be handier to solve those with dashed line grids
It is dashed in PB (similar to Palmer's link).
Edited by Rohan Rao 2012-09-19 11:19 PM
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Location: Canada | I'm not sure I quite understand the rules of Water Fun. In the example puzzle, the bottom T-shaped tetromino and the L shaped-trimino have some of its cells shaded and some of its cells unshaded. |
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Location: India | ksun48 - 2012-09-20 3:01 AM
I'm not sure I quite understand the rules of Water Fun. In the example puzzle, the bottom T-shaped tetromino and the L shaped-trimino have some of its cells shaded and some of its cells unshaded.
The words "Surface height" are key in the rules. The water can be at the bottom of a region, and not be at the top, but cannot be at the top while not at the bottom. Basic way to understand is, water flows downwards, so while you can have a shape filled from the bottom, you can't fill it from the top as the water will flow down anyway. |
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Location: India | About the Penalty System :
I am not sure if this is the right penalty system. Isn't the whole intention of Instant Grading is to eradicate typos? A typo is a typo and should be penalized same for different puzzles. If a typo in Fence, penalty is .6 points, but for a typo in Number Snake, it is 2 points. So one has to be more careful entering the answer of high value puzzles. I am not sure if we want that side effect in Instant Grading.
Water Fun :
I think part of the problem is the way the image is drawn, and thats why ksun48 was not able to interpret. There are lots puzzle of this type at PuzzlePicnic. Here is the image redrawn in (close-to) PuzzlePicnic format.
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Location: Canada | Oh, thanks! I interepreted it as it was an aerial view, but it's actually a front view. Thanks! |
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Location: United States | debmohanty - 2012-09-19 6:39 PM
About the Penalty System :
I am not sure if this is the right penalty system. Isn't the whole intention of Instant Grading is to eradicate typos? A typo is a typo and should be penalized same for different puzzles. If a typo in Fence, penalty is .6 points, but for a typo in Number Snake, it is 2 points. So one has to be more careful entering the answer of high value puzzles. I am not sure if we want that side effect in Instant Grading.
True, but that's how it is in the system without instant grading.
I'm sure the merits and demerits will probably get some more discussion after the test, but I will say I am happy to see a penalty system that will actually make checking work worthwhile. |
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Location: India | one doubt in Kakuro triplet.
Two cells on each side of a black cell will be considered as adjacent????
example 2nd white cell and 3rd white cell (seperated by a black cell having clue) in the IB....are they adjacent??? |
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Location: India | neerajmehrotra - 2012-09-20 12:57 PM
one doubt in Kakuro triplet.
Two cells on each side of a black cell will be considered as adjacent????
example 2nd white cell and 3rd white cell (seperated by a black cell having clue) in the IB....are they adjacent???
No. |
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Location: India | thanks... |
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Location: India | MAsyu:Are the black pearls gonna be darker than in the IB? |
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Location: India | one incorrect submission would reduce the total puzzle points of that particular puzzle by 80% or the total points of all the puzzles by 80%?! |
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Location: India | kishy72 - 2012-09-20 5:06 PM
one incorrect submission would reduce the total puzzle points of that particular puzzle by 80% or the total points of all the puzzles by 80%?!
One Incorrect submission, and then a correct submission of that puzzle gives you 80% points of that puzzle. A correct submission after 2 incorrect gives 50%.
Interpret it that way :) |
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Location: India | It can be a typo,or a guess,or a hurried entry with a bad answer format.So, this test uses a better instant grading system. |
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Location: India | kishy72 - 2012-09-20 5:06 PM
one incorrect submission would reduce the total puzzle points of that particular puzzle by 80% or the total points of all the puzzles by 80%?!
Only that particular puzzle. |
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Location: India | A bad answer format will not be penalized.
For example, "entering 3 digits while 4 digits are expected" will not be penalized. The individual submit button will not be enabled if the answer key is not formatted properly. |
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Location: India | 3 things i need to be carefull is : (shared it thinking that it may be helpful to others too)
kakuro triplet - numbers repeat
doors - excluding cell itself
Hitori - shaded cells can be adjacent
2 questions ??
1) can one more sample of arithmetic box utilizing BODMAS Rule be uploaded (if possible)
2) Trimino hunt the triminos can be read from any direction right ??
i mean 223 can be read as 223 from left to right and 322 as if from right to left or 223 from top to bottom and 322 as if from bottom to top?? |
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Location: India | swaroop2011 - 2012-09-20 10:32 PM
2) Trimino hunt the triminos can be read from any direction right ??
i mean 223 can be read as 223 from left to right and 322 as if from right to left or 223 from top to bottom and 322 as if from bottom to top??
Yes, they can. In the given Trimino set in the IB, there is no 322 given, as 223 and 322 are considered the same instance(this is usually the case with domino hunt puzzles and it looks to be the same here). So hunt for the ones given without caring about direction and stuff.
Edited by prasanna16391 2012-09-20 10:42 PM
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Location: India | ohk consider 233 which is marked as 332 from left to right correct?? |
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Location: India | One more doubt ??
In water fun all water cells need not be connected from different areas. i.e i mean there is no such rule mentioned so as that all water cells should be connected somehow right?? |
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Location: India | swaroop2011 - 2012-09-20 10:45 PM
ohk consider 233 which is marked as 332 from left to right correct??
233 is same as 332, irrespective of its direction, irrespective of it being horizontal/vertical.
swaroop2011 - 2012-09-21 1:57 PM
One more doubt ??
In water fun all water cells need not be connected from different areas. i.e i mean there is no such rule mentioned so as that all water cells should be connected somehow right??
The water cells do not 'have to' be connected. They may or may not be connected. |
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Location: India | Thanks Rohan,
Here i made 3 practice puzzles for this test :Arithmetic Box, Doors, No-touch Diagonal Sudoku
Hope this would be helpful for everyone and you enjoy it !! :)
http://swaroopg92.blogspot.in/2012/09/puzzles-77-79-practice-puzzle... |
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Location: India | Announcements• Password protected pdf is uploaded. It has 10 pages. There is no cover page / points table.
• Note again that Instant Grading is enabled in this test. You will get penalized for each intermediate wrong submission.
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Location: India | Restricted ThreadThis is a restricted thread. As you might have seen during other LMI tests :
Comments posted in the thread after the test started can only be viewed by players who have finished the test. If you are not logged in to forum or if you have not finished the test, you will see first few characters of the post.
The purpose is to encourage players to freely post comments while the test is running.
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Location: Japan | Thanks for a really nice 1-2-3 themed set.
I broke 9 puzzles during the test and got completely confused. Probably my worst performance ever.
I hope I won't repeat the same failure in the upcoming WPC and WSC. |
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