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Location: United States | So I feel stupid now. Got myself massively stuck on one puzzle, and blew an entire 4.5 hours on an "easy" one. Finally cracked it, but it did raise a question. Is there a way to abandon a solve that you just don't think you'll ever complete? I couldn't find a way to move on and try a different one, so I was stuck using my entire day's time banging my head against a faulty bit of logic. |
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Location: India | FoxFireX - 2013-03-03 5:02 AM
So I feel stupid now. Got myself massively stuck on one puzzle, and blew an entire 4.5 hours on an "easy" one. Finally cracked it, but it did raise a question. Is there a way to abandon a solve that you just don't think you'll ever complete? I couldn't find a way to move on and try a different one, so I was stuck using my entire day's time banging my head against a faulty bit of logic. Certainly there is a way and many players have done that.
Just that you have to wait for one hour. When you go to the submission page after an hour, all other puzzles will be enabled to be started. (Just wanted to clarify that the "one hour constraint" was added so that players don't start 2 puzzles at the same time by mistake and lose potential bonus) |
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Location: United States | Administrator - 2013-03-02 6:11 PM
Certainly there is a way and many players have done that.
Just that you have to wait for one hour. When you go to the submission page after an hour, all other puzzles will be enabled to be started. (Just wanted to clarify that the "one hour constraint" was added so that players don't start 2 puzzles at the same time by mistake and lose potential bonus)
Ah. So you have to actually reload the page after an hour, then? I just kept it loaded, and the other puzzles never came back as available. |
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Location: India | Watches and Fifty Fifty are uploaded. |
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Location: India | Congratulations to Hideaki, first player to finish all 12 puzzles. |
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Location: India | Update on Watches rules : Each circle should have 1, 2, 3 or 4 arrows of given lengths (as many as arrows as numbers) |
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An LMI Player with Puzzle ratings 500- | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Mintonette | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Maxi Loop | |
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Location: The Netherlands | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Watches | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
I had a very enjoyable weekend! As a slow puzzle solver, it was great to finish and submit answers to all the puzzles for once. In addition to the three most favorite puzzles I picked (Araf got me completely stumped for some 30 minutes, the flow of Nanro was beautiful, and I think I fell for every trap in Watches, and broke it some 20 times: well done Serkan!), I'd like to add Mintonette as a fourth for its fun layout. But all puzzles were good. Thanks to all the puzzle makers!!! |
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Location: Turkey | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Mintonette | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Gapped Kakuro | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
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Location: United Kingdom | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Gapped Kakuro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Fity Fifty | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Bit unfair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
To elaborate on why I voted for it being a 'slightly unfair' scoring system:
If I understand it correctly, there are bonus points for being the fastest solver of a puzzle? This is OK for some tests, but in my opinion this doesn't really make sense when combined with the other parts of the scoring system for this test- the winner gets most points anyway, they don't need any more. Imagine two people get identical times on most puzzles: except on puzzle X, person A beats B by 2 seconds, and they come 2nd and 3rd in the rankings. And on puzzle Y, person B beats A by 2 seconds, but they come first and second. In my view, they should tie overall, but if I understand the scoring for this test correctly, B will win, and I think this is slightly unfair.
But apart from that, great test, great puzzles, looking forward to next year's marathon! ;-)
Edited by Nilz 2013-03-04 3:10 AM
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Location: India | Great, I solved each puzzle within its allotted time, and no stuck-for-2-hours experiences like last year :P Having said that, would've liked to do a bit better on some puzzles. Thanks to all the other authors for some great puzzles. :) |
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Location: The Netherlands | Nilz - 2013-03-04 3:03 AM
To elaborate on why I voted for it being a 'slightly unfair' scoring system:
If I understand it correctly, there are bonus points for being the fastest solver of a puzzle? This is OK for some tests, but in my opinion this doesn't really make sense when combined with the other parts of the scoring system for this test- the winner gets most points anyway, they don't need any more. Imagine two people get identical times on most puzzles: except on puzzle X, person A beats B by 2 seconds, and they come 2nd and 3rd in the rankings. And on puzzle Y, person B beats A by 2 seconds, but they come first and second. In my view, they should tie overall, but if I understand the scoring for this test correctly, B will win, and I think this is slightly unfair.
But apart from that, great test, great puzzles, looking forward to next year's marathon! ;-)
Everyone who finishes within the alotted time gets bonus for rank, not just the fastest. So in your situation, B gets a bonus for 1st and 3rd, A gets bonus for finishing second twice. |
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Location: Canada | I really like the Maxi Loop, which I haven't seen before, but I absolutely hate the presentation. On my fourth try, I finally had to use a thick red Sharpie pen, so I could see what I was doing. Perhaps in the future it could use a smaller font for the numbers? |
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An LMI Player with Puzzle ratings 500+ | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Gapped Kakuro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Mintonette | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Average | |
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An LMI Player with Puzzle ratings 500- | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Mintonette | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Graffiti Snake | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
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Location: United States | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Liar Diagonal Slitherlink | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Graffiti Snake | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Fity Fifty | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
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Location: Slovakia | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Watches | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Liar Diagonal Slitherlink | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | A bit skewed | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
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Location: Japan | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Star Battle | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
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Location: South Korea | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Mintonette | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
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Location: The Netherlands | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Gapped Kakuro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Mintonette | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
I'll be good and not vote for my own puzzle.
Nanro was really fun. I had never seen it before this contest. Would love to see solve some more. |
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Location: Japan | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Mintonette | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Nanro | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Liar Diagonal Slitherlink | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Very fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
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Location: United States | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Araf | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Masyu | | | Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. | Watches | | | How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | | | What is your opinion about rules, points and scoring for this test? | Fair | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
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Location: India | Para - 2013-03-04 10:24 PM
Nanro was really fun. I had never seen it before this contest. Would love to see solve some more. Some more examples - Thanks to Otto for sharing -
http://www.janko.at/Raetsel/Nikoli/Nanro.htm
http://indi.s58.xrea.com/nanro/
And 4 more at Mokuani's blog
Some more history about Nanro here at Author Interview page at Nikoli - that page also gives a clue to the unofficial puzzle in the IB. |
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Location: United States | My correct nanro submission was rejected because of lower case x instead of upper case. Really??? Please fix this. I was over 60 minutes, so presumably no effect on my score. |
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Location: India | PuzzleScott - 2013-03-05 8:42 AM
My correct nanro submission was rejected because of lower case x instead of upper case. Really??? Please fix this. Case does not matter in this puzzle, in none of the puzzles. There are many entries in Star Battle puzzle with lower case. Also there is exactly 1 submission from you for Nanro which is marked correct. |
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