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Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January
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deu
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-08 8:45 AM (#14034 - in reply to #14015) (#14034) Top




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Thanks for practice puzzles. As a big fan of non-Sudoku number filling puzzles, I'm really looking forward to this test.

It looks like Giant GT has two solutions. Top left part can be both

4617
6849

and

3627
7839.
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Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-08 3:13 PM (#14035 - in reply to #14022) (#14035) Top


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rakesh_rai - 2014-01-06 9:13 PM

From the IB, it seems online solving will be enabled. Will there be some practice puzzles online before the test?
All the examples from IB can now be practiced online.
greenhorn
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-08 5:10 PM (#14036 - in reply to #14034) (#14036) Top


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deu - 2014-01-08 8:45 AM

Thanks for practice puzzles. As a big fan of non-Sudoku number filling puzzles, I'm really looking forward to this test.

It looks like Giant GT has two solutions. Top left part can be both

4617
6849

and

3627
7839.


Hideaki, it seems so. I am sorry, but had not enough time to resolve all practice puzzles before publishing. I hope you will enjoy the competition.

Matus
jaku111
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-09 12:45 AM (#14039 - in reply to #14034) (#14039) Top


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deu - 2014-01-08 8:45 AM

Thanks for practice puzzles. As a big fan of non-Sudoku number filling puzzles, I'm really looking forward to this test.

It looks like Giant GT has two solutions. Top left part can be both

4617
6849

and

3627
7839.


You are right. I will change these two numbers in the first row 18 -> 17 and in the second row 27 -> 28. I´m not the author of this puzzle so maybe Matus modify it in a different way :)

Jakub
SyedMazharullah
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-09 12:38 PM (#14049 - in reply to #14015) (#14049) Top





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where is the competition is held on 11-13th jan ???

greenhorn
Subject: RE: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-09 4:55 PM (#14052 - in reply to #14015) (#14052) Top


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Another practice puzzle - mixture of Diagonal and Consecutive kakuro can be found here: http://www.slovaksudoku.com/en/blog/extra-kakuro.html
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-09 4:59 PM (#14053 - in reply to #14049) (#14053) Top



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SyedMazharullah - 2014-01-09 12:38 PM

where is the competition is held on 11-13th jan ???



Online at http://logicmastersindia.com/2014/01P/
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Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-10 3:37 AM (#14056 - in reply to #14053) (#14056) Top


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The points for each puzzle is now added to the IB. Here they are :
A) Classic kakuro 34 + 70 points
B) Diagonal kakuro 46 + 92 points
C) Odd-Even kakuro 42 + 98 points
D) Consecutive kakuro 36 + 111 points
E) Untouch kakuro 38 + 94 points
F) GT kakuro 50 + 77 points
G) Antiknight kakuro 41 + 50 points
H) Quadruple kakuro 39 + 82 points

Total = 1000 points.
Time bonus : 1 point per each 7 seconds saved
chaotic_iak
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-11 11:34 AM (#14065 - in reply to #14015) (#14065) Top



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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I don't know whether it's because I plain suck at Kakuro or the puzzles are terribly imbalanced toward the hard side, but having only 50% complete while I usually score around 70-80% sounds a bit unusual...

The solving paths seem to require some bruteforce in most puzzles I attempted? Or otherwise require a lot of mental additions. (I used scratch paper.) Or I just miss much more elegant solving paths.

Anyway, good test.
achan1058
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-11 11:38 AM (#14066 - in reply to #14015) (#14066) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Very nice contest. I especially loved how the solve path plays out for some of the puzzles.

@chaotic_iak: Most of the puzzles worked out just fine for me. I scored nearly 700, and would have gotten another 100 if I haven't botched solving the big odd/even. On the other hand, I am quite comfortable with Kakuro. Ya, there are some additions for sure, but I always take that as a part of Kakuro, as long as it isn't too ridiculous.

Edited by achan1058 2014-01-11 11:41 AM
greenhorn
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-11 3:11 PM (#14068 - in reply to #14065) (#14068) Top


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chaotic_iak - 2014-01-11 11:34 AM

I don't know whether it's because I plain suck at Kakuro or the puzzles are terribly imbalanced toward the hard side, but having only 50% complete while I usually score around 70-80% sounds a bit unusual...

The solving paths seem to require some bruteforce in most puzzles I attempted? Or otherwise require a lot of mental additions. (I used scratch paper.) Or I just miss much more elegant solving paths.

Anyway, good test.


All the puzzles are solvable by plain logic. Yes, some of them are harder, but no bruteforce is needed. As you can see, quarter of the participants have solved (nearly) everything, some of them in incredibly good times.

Edited by greenhorn 2014-01-11 3:12 PM
greenhorn
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-11 3:23 PM (#14069 - in reply to #14066) (#14069) Top


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achan1058 - 2014-01-11 11:38 AM

Very nice contest. I especially loved how the solve path plays out for some of the puzzles.

@chaotic_iak: Most of the puzzles worked out just fine for me. I scored nearly 700, and would have gotten another 100 if I haven't botched solving the big odd/even. On the other hand, I am quite comfortable with Kakuro. Ya, there are some additions for sure, but I always take that as a part of Kakuro, as long as it isn't too ridiculous.


Thank you, Aaron
xevs
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-11 10:34 PM (#14071 - in reply to #14015) (#14071) Top


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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


An LMI player
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-12 12:59 AM (#14073 - in reply to #14015) (#14073) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


auroux
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-12 6:36 AM (#14075 - in reply to #14015) (#14075) Top


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This was a fun contest! The puzzles were very nice -- but I don't think the point distribution was very good. In many cases the big puzzle barely took me any more time (if any) than the small one despite being worth a lot more points.
An LMI player
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-12 2:54 PM (#14076 - in reply to #14015) (#14076) Top


 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


An LMI player
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-12 3:38 PM (#14077 - in reply to #14015) (#14077) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


TiiT
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-12 7:31 PM (#14079 - in reply to #14015) (#14079) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


krytterka
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-12 9:31 PM (#14080 - in reply to #14015) (#14080) Top




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Well, I don't know if this was the issue with online version only (as I did the online version and haven't downloaded the PDF) but I found mistakes in odd-even small. There were two "equations" that didn't fit my numbers in the table but afterall I submitted them (even I knew my equals are lower than the wanted ones) and it was considered right...
(my different equations were 36 (the original one in online version test - third from the right in the top row) - mine got 34; and 35 (original one - second from the bottom in the left column) - mine was 33.)
I just thought if it was a general mistake or something else.
jaku111
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-12 10:02 PM (#14081 - in reply to #14080) (#14081) Top


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krytterka - 2014-01-12 9:31 PM

Well, I don't know if this was the issue with online version only (as I did the online version and haven't downloaded the PDF) but I found mistakes in odd-even small. There were two "equations" that didn't fit my numbers in the table but afterall I submitted them (even I knew my equals are lower than the wanted ones) and it was considered right...
(my different equations were 36 (the original one in online version test - third from the right in the top row) - mine got 34; and 35 (original one - second from the bottom in the left column) - mine was 33.)
I just thought if it was a general mistake or something else.


The kakuro is considered right when you have the two marked rows or columns correct (as to pdf version when you only copy these numbers). You were lucky that your mistake was out of these rows/columns. You had probably some small mistake...
krytterka
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-13 12:53 AM (#14083 - in reply to #14081) (#14083) Top




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ok. Anyway, looking forward the solution sheet for this task. It was weird to me that all other additions were right and those two, even out-of-answer-line weren't.
So far, this was just a trial for me (I'm still more to sudoku than logic and this kakuro, even it is "sudoku-like"). But thanks for game and your answer.
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Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-13 5:47 AM (#14085 - in reply to #14083) (#14085) Top


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krytterka - 2014-01-13 12:53 AM

ok. Anyway, looking forward the solution sheet for this task. It was weird to me that all other additions were right and those two, even out-of-answer-line weren't.
So far, this was just a trial for me (I'm still more to sudoku than logic and this kakuro, even it is "sudoku-like"). But thanks for game and your answer.

Solution on left side and your submission on right.

Ziti
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-13 12:41 PM (#14088 - in reply to #14015) (#14088) Top




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Thank you very much, Matus and Jakub. Those were fun puzzles with a nice new set of rules and I really enjoyed them.
swaroop2011
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-13 2:16 PM (#14089 - in reply to #14015) (#14089) Top



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Awesome test, Nice puzzles, i really liked the path of solving in few puzzles
Thanks to authors and LMI for such great test.
From results i can see that i am poor at Kakuro, while solving especially my 1st one hour was very slow and then it went good. Luckily finished big quadruple in last few min with 20 sec to left. :)
Gotroch
Subject: Re: Kakuro — January Puzzle Test — 11th-13th January @ 2014-01-13 4:34 PM (#14090 - in reply to #14015) (#14090) Top




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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little


Thanks for the nice test. I enjoyed it a lot.
But I was missing some challenging Kakuro variant in the set. Something where I have to think what should be my next step in the puzzle. Usually, during puzzle contests, I have moments, where I just staring at puzzle for several minutes before I realize what to do. This was probably my first puzzle contest here, where that didn't happen and I proceeded through all puzzles pretty straightforward.
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