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Location: India | Just by going the marks you have done (and assuming that they are correct), where do you put 3 in Box2?
However, I think you have gone wrong somewhere. I couldn't resolve the bottom 3 rows so early in the solve. |
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Location: India | i have addled the sudoku so much that i could not see that direct spotting...and yes i have gone wrong. I started from the beginning again and i saw where i went wrong ....Thnks deb! |
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Location: India | So fellas another of those tough computer generated ones where i feel it has managed to give the bare minimum number of numbers required .... a tough nut to crack for me....tried for 28mins.....totally warped .....shw me the way Lmians!!
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Location: India | and if possible post a link where i can see these versions guys
Untouchable sudoku,Disjoint groups ,Symetric unequal , Antiknight
Queens ,Quadro ,Touchy , DuoDoku.... not even heard of some of these variants...planning to take part in sudoku cup want to try atleast one of each of these versions(hopefully) before the test.
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Location: India | Firstly the Classic - I remember this one. What I did while solving was focus in the first box. By process of elimination, you get that R2C1, R2C3 can only contain either of 4-6-9. You've already marked R2C7 containing 4-6. This makes a triplet and eliminates 6 from the 2-6 in R2C5, so you have a 2 there. Should be ok after that.
For the variants - You can look at past Monthly tests for some. I think I remember off the top of my head an Anti Knight in Sudoclones and a Queen Sudoku in Diagonal Vision. Apart from that, you have Disjoint groups in the Fed Sudoku site itself, in the Alternatives section. So too Quadro I think. There's also this site(Where disjoint groups is called Offset, Symmetric Unequal is I think No Mirror).
Edited by prasanna16391 2012-10-23 1:05 AM
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Location: Switzerland | kishy72 - 2012-10-22 9:20 PM
and if possible post a link where i can see these versions guys
Untouchable sudoku,Disjoint groups ,Symetric unequal , Antiknight
Queens ,Quadro ,Touchy , DuoDoku.... not even heard of some of these variants...planning to take part in sudoku cup want to try atleast one of each of these versions(hopefully) before the test.
You can also find some of them in the monthly test authored by Jan Mrozowski 2 years ago, called "Classic Look-Alikes", it's basically the same concept as the 1st round of sudokucup:
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201007S
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Location: India | Thnks prasanna and Fred for the links ...did not spot the 469 combination in R2C1 ......and by the way took this Queens sudoku from Diagonal vision....valued at 85 points i assumed initially that is too much for a simple sudoku (atleast it appeared to me like that with so many numbers) But i soon realised that this sudoku is worth its weight in gold......tried at 3 different times today to give my mind a break and still could not proceed beyond this point.....i could not use the queen constraint at all with just 1 9 locked till this point. |
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Location: India | kishy72 - 2012-10-23 6:55 PM
just to make sure everyone knows the rules of queen sudoku....in simple words 9 is assumed to be a chess queen ...no queen (9 ) can attack other queens (other 9s )...all other sudoku rules apply Edited by kishy72 2012-10-23 7:12 PM
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Location: India | and in symmetric unequal what does cells 180deg symmetric to each other mean..????totally blank....could not make out head or tail out of it...kindly explain guys.. |
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Location: Switzerland | The queen sudoku of diagonal vision's instructions booklet is a bit too hard... It's my fault.
We discussed about it there: http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=451&s...
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Location: Switzerland | kishy72 - 2012-10-23 7:02 PM
and in symmetric unequal what does cells 180deg symmetric to each other mean..????totally blank....could not make out head or tail out of it...kindly explain guys..
R1C1 is symmetric to R9C9, R1C2 is symmetric to R9C8, R2C1 symmetric to R8C9, etc... does it help?
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So i am not the only one stuck it seems! But Beautiful theme nevertheless....similar to what u do in a chess game.......think ahead and see if it is advisable to go with that continuation...perhaps thats why this sudoku is rightly named queen sudoku....i was looking for a logical continuation....did not look for a contradiction at all.... |
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Location: India | Fred76 - 2012-10-23 7:25 PM
kishy72 - 2012-10-23 7:02 PM
and in symmetric unequal what does cells 180deg symmetric to each other mean..????totally blank....could not make out head or tail out of it...kindly explain guys..
R1C1 is symmetric to R9C9, R1C2 is symmetric to R9C8, R2C1 symmetric to R8C9, etc... does it help?
Fred
So going by the same logic R5C1 is symmetric to R5C9 ,R5C2 is symmetric to R5C8 etc...and the only cell symmetric to itself in the entire grid is R5C5...?! |
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Location: India | kishy72 - 2012-10-23 7:45 PM
So going by the same logic R5C1 is symmetric to R5C9 ,R5C2 is symmetric to R5C8 etc...and the only cell symmetric to itself in the entire grid is R5C5...?!
That is correct. Now all the additional rule says is "If two different cells are 1800 symmetric to each other, they must contain different digits".
More examples: mock12 IB & PB - http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=mock12
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Location: India | not able to touch the solution in this untouchable sudoku....cells with same digits dont touch diagonally..first sudoku of this variant which i had tried ...where am i missing the trick here?
Edited by kishy72 2012-10-29 11:01 PM
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Location: Switzerland | kishy72 - 2012-10-29 11:00 PM
not able to touch the solution in this untouchable sudoku....cells with same digits dont touch diagonally..first sudoku of this variant which i had tried ...where am i missing the trick here?
Kishy: BE CAREFUL NOT TO POST THE SUDOKUS OF A COMPETITION BEFORE IT IS FINISHED !
The competition is now finished, but it was not the case when you posted this one.
That being said, try to place the 2 in row 5, and then you can place lot of other digits 
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Location: India | Fred76 - 2012-10-30 4:32 AM
Kishy: BE CAREFUL NOT TO POST THE SUDOKUS OF A COMPETITION BEFORE IT IS FINISHED !
The competition is now finished, but it was not the case when you posted this one.
Kishy72, Consider this as your first and last warning. Never post puzzles from LMI / other sites while the competition is running. Always wait for few hours after the competition ends. |
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Location: India | Fred76 - 2012-10-30 4:32 AM
kishy72 - 2012-10-29 11:00 PM
not able to touch the solution in this untouchable sudoku....cells with same digits dont touch diagonally..first sudoku of this variant which i had tried ...where am i missing the trick here?
Kishy: BE CAREFUL NOT TO POST THE SUDOKUS OF A COMPETITION BEFORE IT IS FINISHED !
The competition is now finished, but it was not the case when you posted this one.
That being said, try to place the 2 in row 5, and then you can place lot of other digits
Fred
BE CAREFUL NOT TO POST THE SUDOKUS OF A COMPETITION BEFORE IT IS FINISHED
This thought did cross to me immediately after i had posted it but i left it at that thinking that the person had just as much a chance of going wrong as getting it correct by seeing this sudoku but anyway i know that that is not the point.It wont occur again. |
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Location: India | Administrator - 2012-10-30 8:48 AM
Fred76 - 2012-10-30 4:32 AM
Kishy: BE CAREFUL NOT TO POST THE SUDOKUS OF A COMPETITION BEFORE IT IS FINISHED !
The competition is now finished, but it was not the case when you posted this one.
Kishy72, Consider this as your first and last warning. Never post puzzles from LMI / other sites while the competition is running. Always wait for few hours after the competition ends.
You could have removed my post instead of admonishing me like this or you could have said to me in private before u posted this.This looks like slapping me in the face and saying 'Dont post sudokus in this forum'.I m not a fugitive under warrant |
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Location: India | kishy72 - 2012-10-30 10:33 AM
You could have removed my post instead of admonishing me like this or you could have said to me in private before u posted this.This looks like slapping me in the face and saying 'Dont post sudokus in this forum'.I m not a fugitive under warrant
Well you'll have to be to solve the next test :P Anyway, in all seriousness, what you are doing(posting on forum and asking doubts) is great. In fact we've been encouraging beginners to do that for some time now. Its just that, when something like this happens, we need to make sure it doesn't happen again through anyone, not just you. I think that was the reason for the public warning. Do be careful in the future :) |
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Location: Germany | I just wanted to say a quick Thank You for the tricks I've learned only on these 2 pages. I have never looked for triplets in a puzzle! This is the next way to go! Thank you very much! |
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Location: Germany | http://i46.tinypic.com/14yba10.jpg
I have had trouble seeing a way to solve this puzzle completely avoiding trial and error. Can someone please help me? |
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Location: Germany | I tried to fit it rigth into the post, but it was rather big.
Edited by purzelbaumfan 2013-03-29 4:59 PM
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Location: India | I can proceed further by seeing that 5 in Row 7 put in either place puts 7 in R7C4, which can be seen using row 4 for one placement of 5, and the other is pretty straightforward. There's another sticking point in proving that R9C2 can't be 4 (4-5 in the 7th box means 5 must be in R4C2, where'll 7 go in C2?). Its pretty difficult, but thats the closest I can come to a solid path. |
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Location: Germany | Thank you very much. That was a very decent solving path without trying too much. I appreciate your help. |
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